@mechemik keep reverting my updates to the wikia and replaces with outdates images and descriptions. What is the point of updating wikia if someone just "reverts" changes without actually checking what was written/added?
I took mytime to tripple check everything and after all the work I did someone simply clicks a single button to delete all the work I did without an explanation?
First, if you have a problem with someone, speak with them first. Second, your edits got reverted on the abilities page because 1) it didn't add any info that wasn't already stated and 2) you recently removed not only the only video there but interwiki links.
As for the edits on the mutagens page, unfortunately I did accidentally revert some useful info which I tried to add back into it but shortened down some.
What is the point of talking to someone who uses revert instead of edit? And pictures I added are updated one that are used it game version 1.31 (The ones used before were patched in 1.21 I believe).
And I did message you in comments but you decided to delete my message...
Ah, in that case, please use what we already have on file. Whenever possible, we like to use the actual game icons themselves (most should already be on file here) than posting screenshots (unless of course the screenshot is to show the UI), thanks!
Whoops, didn't see the edited note: in future, please comment on someone's message wall and not in a comment section of an article. I just by chance saw it but otherwise it'd have gone unnoticed for awhile, that's why we have message walls :)
We like to keep the "original" on file just to show people what happened to it and why but they should only be in use now on individual mutagen pages (like if you look at red mutagen, there's a patch 1.08 and the original in the infobox). If you find any other pages using the wrong icon though, feel free to change it.
Indeed. So I was reading The World of the Witcher and realized it mentions the Alba valley realm was originally a small kingdom of Nilfgaard and this is repeated thrice in the book. Sooo sometime long ago Nilfgaard was ruled by kings. Then we also have mentions of the Senate and then finally Emperors.
The Kingdom of Nilfgaard → Nilfgaardian Republic → Nilfgaardian Empire
Hmm, reminds me of the political development of a certain ancient state on Apennine :P
Also, if you're interested, I'd suggest keeping an eye on news going on Fallout/Nukapedia page. I know they've been one of the biggest voices against the videos being added by Wikia since inception and there's serious talk about them forking off to create their own. Depending how their talk goes with the CEO, it might be something to keep an eye on for future direction of all wikia communities.
Sup, everyone. In Chrome (and maybe other browsers), there's a bit of a visual annoyance with Template:Infobox Item3 whereby a bracket of the "Component(s)" field is pushed onto a second line, like this:
However, in Firefox it looks fine.
Also, I was thinking we should maybe have a "Dismantle" section in this infobox where all the components a thing dismantles to can be listed. What do you think?
@Mechemik: Wow the situation really seems dire as far as they are concerned. I mean even Kotaku wrote an article on the situation. Thx for letting me know. I'll be occasionally checking up to see how they are progressing.
@Bizippo: Looked through and through but, unfortunately, nothing. There is, however, one interesting bit in Sapkowski's Genealogies.
@Bizippo: Some Nordling kingdoms had fought against Nilfgaard even before 1239 when the Northern Wars started. Particularly Metinna in around 1180s or 1190s. Crispin fought in that war along with other noble-born mercenaries grouped in their free company side by side with Metinnese.
Well, the idea is to put everything chronologically so that template can be used xD (as right now, everything in the books happens before the games with the exception of that one small scene at the end of SoS).
Well, the idea is to put everything chronologically so that template can be used xD (as right now, everything in the books happens before the games with the exception of that one small scene at the end of SoS).
Yeah but after history section there is society, names and such. So what? All those things would be non canon you know.
Eh, I just don't want the page being cluttered up too much with it, especially if it's jut a few sentences between the notices like "game canon" then war happened in 1272 "end game canon" and then used again a short time later.
You'll be surprised. Back when I was fixing the spoiler banner, the spoiler tag used to look like the canon one and they were everywhere. That, combined with people spoiling things in the comments, lead to just a plain Spoiler banner at the top instead of throughout the page xD
Something like "using the Kingslayers to kill off Demavend and Foltest, Nilfgaard sowed more chaos..." etc. instead of "Letho snuck aboard Demavend's ship and killed X, Y, and Z before decapitating the king. Later on, he disguised himself in the villa and killed Foltest, pinning it on Geralt..".
@Bizippo: Sorry I only just now returned home so those suggestions will have to wait. Once again, sorry.
@Mechemik: Could you get a better screenshot of Novigradian gates? Ones from the Prima Guide are fine but small and the those I took all the way back are really bad in comparison to things you can take with Ansel. PLUS: Regarding you note on the First Northern War article, it started for Nilfgaardians in 1239 because that's when they managed to annex Ebbing and after that progressed by conquering Metinna, Nazair, Maecht and finally Cintra in the 1260s.
That's not what I meant by the years. The books don't actually state what fell when, only that it started in 1239. We don't even know if the war before Emhyr took over had a different name (I'd think that it did though).
Umm it didn't, not for Nilfgaardians at least. Emhyr took over in 1257 so for Nilfgaardian historics the First War was already going on for 18 years. The Usurper annexed Ebbing shortly after his coup d'etat, in 1239 and while we don't know when exactly he conquered Metinna and Nazair, we know he defeated Maecht in the 1250s. What more do you need?
First off, there needs to be references then (especially as we keep citing 1239 as the year Ebbing fell, but I'm not seeing this mentioned anywhere in the books). Also, the books don't actually name the wars like "War I" "War II" etc. from what I can remember, instead grouping them all under "Northern Wars". Combined with them being called "uprisings" as well rather than "wars" with those kingdoms they conquered, I'm inclined to think they were under a different name and grouped in with Northern Wars or something else happened (plus it's very rare for a war to last 30 some years, especially over multiple rulers).
There's a quest item called "Wooden amulet" in TW3 under the ID "q103_talisman" with a unique inventory icon. Has anyone ever seen it in normal gameplay, or is it an unused thing? The item ID suggests it is (or was meant to be) used in Family Matters.
Btw, where do you get inventory icons from? I've only recently started unpacking game files, so I don't know a great deal about this stuff.
I used a lua file that others set up to extract all image files from the game.
And yes, it's likely the wooden amulet was removed from gameplay. If it's a 3-pronged looking thing, I believe it was supposed to be the original talisman (like the mark on Anna's hand) but then later replaced with the circular thing we see in game.
If you're going to add images, keep in mind the developers used (presumably) stand-in images, especially for items that didn't quite make it into the game, so be sure to look over those images on file first before adding anything.
You can calculate 1239 as being the year when Ebbing was annexed from what Vysogota says to Ciri about his life. Also even if you were right and that war had a different name, which is very likely, it still is grouped in the Northern Wars and those begun then, in 1239, when the Usurper reigned.
@Juraj: that's the problem. At least in my book, I can't actually find where Vysogota mentions a year, nevertheless when Ebbing actually fell. To summarize, he merely says he was banished (during the Usurper's time) ended up in Ebbing (then independent) and it later fell and thus back in the Empire again. Nowhere does he actually state the year. For all we know, the war could have started in 1239 but Ebbing may not have fell until a year, 2 years, 5, etc. later by that information.
@Bizippo: nah, all the information we know works just being on The Toad Prince page.
No because that can be changed fairly easily (especially to cut down on a long file name). You need to actually add file information to the image and make sure the right license is added to it to clarify it's copyrighted.
For instance this one. It's showing it's over 1,000 pixels in both height/width and over 1MB in file size, but the artist's page itself it's barely 150 KB and only 500x800 (not to mention a different file format).
@Bizippo: Do you plan to upload the rest of Czech pictures too? IMO most of them look way better than Russian, at least when it comes to faces :D Also please revert the last edit on Witch hunts, I cant right now. Am on mobile and you know how destructively that could end right? xDD
@Mechemik: Fair point, but Ebbing wasn't conquered. The kingdom was included/annexed (specifically these two words are used) by Nilfgaard in more or less peaceful political way so it had to take place in one year, spanning through several days at best.
@Juraj I'd love too, but I don’t have them. Do you know where I can find them? Anyway these Russian ones are awesome in my opinion. I think that Sapko imagined Geralt and Ciri more that way while he was writing rather than game versions.
It conflicts the canon info from The Lady of the Lake. Sheala died during Witch hunts, Phillipa was tortured to death by Willemer, Fringilla surely wasn't only imprisoned since she's called martyr centuries later...
I didn't. Those are albums you have to click on and then you'll see all those images ;)
You're seeing it differently: of course eveyrone has biological sperm/egg donors, but nothing says they're actually around in the people's life (like why Angouleme's page doesn't list a father beause it's indicated he was never in her life, and her own mother only for a short time).
Actually, nowhere in the book does it mention that weapon (horeseman pick) you put down for Andres, that was why it was removed. In fact, the only indicator I found of a one time he used a weapon was a war hammer.
In English, not so much xD Or rather, we keep it simple: just say war hammer, especially since that's what the book uses (and while it's a subset of war hammer, it could mean there are some differences between the weapons).
I told you, I didn't even know what that was and it wasn't mentioned at all in the books xD It's like if someone puts down "mule" when they meant "horse": mule may be in the family of horse but still pretty distinct.
Do we really need to have the Abilities field in the infobox? It maybe does make sense for the witchers but seems silly for mages who usually just have magic in it (and am like "no sh*t, really?") or knights and other kinds of warriors with swordsmanship and horsemanship etc. etc.
Yeah, that mage one with "magic" annoys me so much as well. I keep trying to fix them to just put what's not obvious (like wouldn't guess originally Renfri is skilled at swordsplay having been a princess). Unfortunately I think it's like fighting an uphill battle :/
Like now, am reworking Anseis' and questioning myself if it's even worth it to keep those horsemanship and swordsmanship things there. I mean almost every other Medieval princeling had to be skilled in these matters even if they weren't heirs...
Hard to tell without context. If I had to guess, the first one might be when Cahir, Geralt, and Angouleme visit the first mine and Geralt got tired of the run arounds, but it doesn't really look like him.
Yeah one more thing regarding Anseis (though it concerns Delwyn as well): He is indirectly mentioned in the Blood of Elves (in Delwyn's case, comic) not by name but as Meve's son. Can I put it into box?
@Juraj: I forgot, is he mentioned or are both sons of Meve mentioned in it?
@Bizippo: this is why it's easier just to name it by book and what's going on than character names unless you're sure xD Also, regardless the questionable age of Ciri, you should know girls/women tend to hit their adult height early, around 15, so that is more than likely Ciri's adult height as well.
@Mechemik: Both of them. When kings talk about possible suitors for Ciri, the Princess of Cintra and thus the new king there once they would conquer it. Meve, however, tells they are both stupid and not really suitable.
Actually, from what I've seen trying to look into it extensively, the newer icon is supposed to be that more cartoonish looking one but some reason (like my own game) it still shows the original despite a supposed later fix in 1.22, which is why I made the note that some games still show the original rather than the updated version. (see also this thread). Unfortunately when I try to use time stamps on various videos, I can't tell because of the bug issue that effected some from not seeing the newer icon so I can't tell which one was new/old.
Edit: better idea, can anyone else confirm which one is supposed to be the original and the new? I started after the major patches so :/
Thing is, though, in many let's plays that came out before Patch 1.08, you see the icons that are currently labelled "Patch 1.08", while in my own game and all recent Witcher videos that I've seen (on the newest version of the game) the "Original" icon appears. I have never once seen a case where the mutagen labelling we have on this wiki matches what is displayed in-game.
E.g. on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzNyVI26H5A) @43:19 the "new" mutagen icon appears, even though the video came out on the day the game was released. However, patch 1.08 came out on August 7th, 2015, almost three months after the video.
See, that's where I was getting confused because I've seen videos made after 1.08 that were still showing the cartoony icons. But now that you mention it, I can't find any that show the realistic ones before 1.08 so they might have been effected by the bug that was fixed in 1.22.
Another Anséis thing: how do you feel about him being in a Category:Knights and as a Profession:Knight? I'd love to remove that too (after all we don't list King Coram II, famed participant of knightly tourneys, as such).
For Anseis I think it's fine. The only time I don't like using it is for those with questionable backgrounds, like the Fallen Knights. They might have "knight" in their title but sure don't act anything like one should.
But we have to be consistent right? Because we don't call Anseis' distant relative, King Coram II of Cintra, a knight despite the fact that he partook in several chivalric tournaments. See what am saying?
That's true. I mean, if you remember that passage from the Blood of Elves, she seems pretty meh about giving the throne to either of them. How was it? That they are both as stupid as their father or smth like that? xD
PS: While searching, I stumbled upon some concepts for the Netflix Series (showed at a private presentation in Poland, someone made photos). One shows Geralt in The Fox Tavern and another as he passes through some Vizima gate. Interesting stuff...
Right? I can't wait to see all these amazing places like Novigrad or Vizima in the show.
As for Gwent talk -- alright, no problem.
My only fear for that show is that it will be a bit too "family friendly" if you know what I mean. There are a lot of "hard themes" in the saga that I'm afraid they will be censored or not shown at all.
@Bizippo: You need not worry, the showrunner confirmed on her Twitter that she won't water it down and that the series will be full on 18+ with all the brutality (and politics and sex ofc) you know from the Saga ;)
@Mechemik: There's one more thing before I get Anseis done. Also, you really have no opinion on those concepts? I don't want to push you but would like to know your opinion as well :)
@Mechemik: Haha yea me too. Coming back to Anséis, I had a quick read through the Genealogy looking for all things Lyrian Royalty and came to one thing. Why isn't there "unknown number of children", "at least one children" or smth like that in Ceran and Impecca infoboxes? The entry about Coram I states directly that their offsprings ruled Lyria after them... And of course, Meve and Calanthe were distant cousins so that's that.
1) you never mentioned that you were adding images from the Russian site and 2) did you actually check to make sure they weren't modified in any way? We've already discussed this before that we need to be careful adding images from them because they tend to modify game files and images (like the COAs they tried to add I knew were darkened from the original game files I have).
Those screens weren't modified as far as I know. The guy who uploaded them here and usually changes his files (Лентяй 200) wasn't the one who originally took them (TreTreTre). As for COAs, I have never seen originals and didn't notice they were changed as well. Could you upload them then? They are slightly different than the family/kingdom versions we use and I think it's intentional...
Also: Please accept my sincere apology. Both for not letting you known and being a little too offensive while starting this debate. Had a bad day today but didn't mean to affect you by the fact. Sorry :/
I've uploaded ones that we don't have creations of yet (the ones that actually look like shields). I'd rather keep COAs consistent across the wiki, so if the ones used in the games are similar to the ones we already have on file, I just use the one on file.
Ummm, yeah, right that does make sense. And what about that infobox picture (now that you know it's not modified)? I mean if you can get a better one, am all for it. You see both me and Bizippo agreed on the box should have him helmet-less. Speaking of Bizippo: what was wrong with an audioquote?
@Bizippo: Sorry but can you tell me how do you know? I own all Czech translations and each is illustrated by Jana and translated by her husband. Though I admit that some of them are in paperback edition instead of the hardcover and so have fewer illustrations.
@Mechemik: *cough* My question would love to be answered too *cough* :P
Why did you revert Bizippo's latest edits on Stennis? The place he was killed of was not his house but his chambers in Castle of Three Fathers. Kaedwenian is the canon demonym, as you yourself added. And we go with past tense...
As I already said about 3 times already: I just don't care for any of the images
It was about using past tense in the conditional statements, don't do that as that's passing it off as something that did happen when it's actually based on player's action.
Also, my feelings for using the correct demonymn is this: use the game one where game information applies and use the canon one where it's everything else. Think of it like the reason we don't change "Kaedweni camp" article name or all the other "Kaedweni" items to "Kadewenian". As Stennis is only a game character, it follows to use the game demonymn (same reason I keep Iorweth's name spelled as "Iorveth" in the game section of his page).
I am consistent: game information stays consistent within game sections and book information stays consistent with book information. Renaming pages like "Kaedweni" and "Koviri" for game related items is pointless and confusing simply to match canon. And the translators themelves aren't consistent and some nationalities have 3 some different spellings.
Okay, I can understand those cases perfectly and promise to abide by what you said here. Problem is that in the case of articles like Stennis, there are currently both. The official, because of a link to Henselt's army and game demonym, because the text mentions clash between envoys of Aedirn and Kaedwen.
Yeah, it isn't really a pressing matter. One last thing regarding Stennis, it's more of a technical detail, shouldn't his article be just "Stennis"? And Thx for making it all clear to me regarding this issue.
Looking at your recent Anséis edit, do I gather right that you're on the tournament? :3
Would love it if you could write a note to Eberhartt's birth year, something that would say that he is described as thirty-years-old and that Gra Wyobraźni takes place between the Northern War I and II in one sentence or two. Realized my English isn't good enough for this :/
Also, congratulations to soon-yours 40.000 edits!!!
@Mechemik: This will seem like an asshole question but I can't seem to find a way to make it sound better; do you plan to return to adding missing book characters, locations and/or expanding Biographies?
I really like your style of writing articles and all the details you manage to put naturally into the text :)
Hah, yeah was doing it too but stopped because I realized it could do more harm than good. What if I helped you find such cases? For example, I can confess to you here and now that am the one responsible for Coppertown :DD
Appeared briefly at the end of the Eternal Flame and talked to Dainty Biberveldt while confusingly looking at his "cousin Dudu". His article here is Mountainsorrel but was made before official translation.
Btw, that info we have on Nelumbo is dubious. Direct quote:
"Two volunteers set off to check whether the poisoned reptile was still breathing. It was the local gravedigger and the town halfwit, the fruit of the union between the retarded daughter of a woodcutter and a squad of hired pikemen who marched through Barefield at the time of Warlord Nelumbo's rebellion."
On the Nelumbo page it says that the pikemen were Nelumbo's, but the book never confirms that. All we definitively know is that Nelumbo led a rebellion somewhere at some point (unless some meaning was lost in translation).
@1857a: That's rather amazing because, you know, Mechemik and I had a talk recently about the fact that some characters/places/items from the novels are still missing their pages here. Not to mention that some characters deserve proper Biographies... I don't want any pressure on you, but see where am heading with this?
@Mechemik: After creating all these Gra pages I realized that their category (PnP RPG characters) will become problematic on August the 2nd as the new PnP RPG, The Witcher Role-Playing Game, will come out. Would you move them to Wiedźmin: Gra Wyobraźni characters?
Changed back, as it is "merchant" in the books, not "armorer". Also, doesn't appear to be an official name, English just says "armorers' guild" in the next part, suggesting it's a generic term due to uncapitalized words.
well it's technically put " armorers' " (plural possession) rather than " armorer's " (singular or single entity possession). I honestly don't know which one is more correct, though if the guild of merchants name is anything to go by, I'd go with the plural.
But if it's to be a page then Guild should also be capitalized, right? I mean we're talking here about a rich organization of Redanian-mostly-human smiths, not armourers' guilds over the known world in general.
Or it is the actual name and translator just f*cked up. IIRC you said a while back he also made electoral college (the one that chooses Hierarchs and is thus far the only such body in this world known to us) not capitalized. I am all in for Armorers Guild having it both in capitals. After all, we don't know if there's any other such organization. For example smiths in Nilfgaard could be part of the Guild of Merchants, or have Smith Guild or whatever etc etc.
Well, an electoral college in of itself is generic: it's basically a definition (electors who get together to vote in someone). It's only when you use it to reference a specific group (like the US Electoral College) when it becomes capitalized (a proper noun). That's why I'm not sure about capitalizing both words for armorers' guild as it sounds like it's not a specific, proper group name.
Isn't this the case too? Season of Storms refers to specific Electoral College just as The Last Wish mentions specific Armorers' Guild that resides in Redania and Novigrad. Heck even their emblem's described. How can it get any more specific? xD
Actually the book doesn't refer to a specific electoral college, it just says the one that'll elect the Hierarch. For all we know, it could have a name like "Almighty Electors" or other (for example, in real life, the electoral college that elects the Pope is called the "Holy See" but is an electoral college).
Yeeeeep. True. I completely agree with what you just wrote up there but as we currently don't know any other organization that would go by "Armorers' Guild" or anything even remotely similar, can't we leave it at that? For simplicity's sake...
Opinion incoming. If the Polish original has "armourers' guild" capitalised, we should also capitalise it on the English wiki, official translation be damned. Translations can omit meaning, or be wrong. In this case, if the translator has stripped "armourers' guild" of being proper nouns, some meaning has been lost.
(Unless it was capitalised for grammatical reasons, like German capitalises every noun. Although (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't believe Polish does that).
Now, I'm not saying this should always be the case. E.g. we shouldn't retain original Polish names such as Nurzybob, as that is completely different from what English readers would see. But in this case, given the context, I think it makes a lot of sense to capitalise it as "Armourers' Guild".
You'd think that'd be something the translator would have caught, but I'm not sure what rules Polish follows in regards to capitalization (like some of the book titles in Polish, sometimes only one of the words is in caps while in English we like to capitalize all the important words in book titles).
Actually, they're not duplicates. In game, if you travel around the vineywards, there'll be a "X vineyard" and "X manor/estate" that pops up as locations (not the map itself but when riding around). Vermentino is the only one though that doesn't have "estate" after its name, so it's simply Vermentino.
Yes to the first, half yes to the second. In game, the buildings (the "estate" as it would be) is also simply called "Vermentino", unlike places like Belgaard, which are actually called "Belgaard Manor" instead of just "Belgaard" in game.
pretty sure I would know that.
It indeed is a piece of the tw2 world map but a different version, and we need exactly this one, but without the border paintings ond it, it doesn't look good enough after I tried to fix it in photoshop