Some modders wanted to make it look like on your picture, because this boat has been shown in pre-release versions of the game.
The pic you posted tho looks like vanilla game, but I couldn't find boat that looks like this. I also reverse searched for the image and the source led me here. That's why I'm asking where did you get the picture from :P
So I unintentionally caused confusion eh? Hehehe. I got it from the Official Prima Game Guide and I presume they got their copy of TW3 some quarter-year before release, that's why details such as the boat design don't match but graphics and that kind of stuff do. I hope this is the kind of answer you were looking for.
Young and healthy Iorveth with actual hair? Wow! I mean I could tell you how to put it in a Gallery but wouldn't you wait a day-two till I rearange his page to have Biography (like Jacques de Aldersberg etc.)? Then you could put it in "Early life" section :)
Juraj103 wrote: Young and healthy Iorveth with actual hair? Wow! I mean I could tell you how to put it in a Gallery but wouldn't you wait a day-two till I rearange his page to have Biography (like Jacques de Aldersberg etc.)? Then you could put it in "Early life" section :)
Sure! Yes, this image came out in gwent online, but I was surprised how so few people knew about it. I take it it's becasue it's not on the wikia yet, nor many people have this avatar (I got this image on Gwent Online's wiki, but since is not direcly linked to this wiki, I'd like to upload it here too, as well as other character's avatars that were chreated for Gwent Online)
Well, I know that he got the scar from a spear and that there's a quest about it on Roche's Path, but considering the apperance of the scar, it's recent (since the skin still is on a red tone). My guess he got the scar little before he first appears in the game.
So I guess it's safe to say that during the Secong Northen War he still didn't have the scar. Maybe it's a good place to put it? And add a subtitle that says how he were before the scar and how he got it.
Thank you. I'd also like to add the images that are here: http://gwent.wikia.com/wiki/Avatars as a bonus image to the witcher wiki as how the characters appears in other games (since they are only on the gwent online wiki)
Add page (its name should have words "academy", "magic", "Nilfgaardian Empire") write whats known and + add Note about precise location being unknown with CDPR placing it in Vicovaro and W:GW by Loc Grim (can also write how this is unlikely because of Emhyr's relations with 'em) --- how does that sound to you?
On this topic I like to think it as Shilard, better to have a longer page that may contains some omissible informations than having a short page that contains just the bare essentials. But this is just my opinion anyway.
Wait wait wait... I'm not in any way for "just essentials" or things like that. I love pages expanded, large and I actually added a lot of missing info on Everecs. I on this with you so do tell me: what's missing from heraldry part that should be on the page?
Have lots of others images but they're about thronebreaker and I dunno where upload them, will wait after I played it. Seems that Meve will not only fight against Nilfgaardians but also against some bandits from Spalla led by one Gascon, seems quite a cool character.
That's amazing. Since this Gascon is a bandit as you say, won't she somehow recruit him? She did bring many an outlaw into her forces in order to defeat Ardal aep Dahy. I can't even state my favorite art in the bunch because there are so many beautiful pieces.
Who knows :P that wouldn't be a bad idea, forging a alliance with him and then fight the battle for the bridge, maybe even with Geralt and Cahir! I don't know actually if that's Ardal aep Dahy btw, his name wasn’t specified. I like that art but I imagined him younger, tho since he lived in the same time of Fergus and the Usurper is ok if he's old.
I'm not that much about his age, just imagined his face to be like nobler you know? Also, there's this thing that I just realized bothers me -- Gwent seems to focus too much on game characters. Like yeah, they are awesome but why the second picture for Roche, Cerys or Imlerith when there are loads of other interesting Saga people?
The Eternal Fire priests image looks stunning, I think you can without any problem replace current Eternal Fire infobox pic with it.
No, but here we focus more on games and books no? Also, I’m starting to fearing that that card could be about Hierarch Hemmelfart so please at least let's way until the cards will be released before removing anything.
I don't have a preference but the banner seems more neutral like, you know, current depicts Lyrian Heavy Cavalry but I'll leave this decision on you as I don't give a flying f*ck :D How far might the Flaming Rose update be? And Eist avatar?
Back when I tried to pull audio files, they were... difficult to extract and was random. The ones connected to the special scenes like the Bloody Baron even more so. I think Geralt's line was also said in one of the trailers.
I'd keep it in the gallery, if there must be a image next to the text I think that it should be the one of Geralt and Jacques about to fighting in the snow, since the text says that. It doesn’t mention the elder blood right?
As I asked before: shouldn't everything have as much info as possible added in? This of course also goes for Jacques, though I tried today so as I said if you know anything more about him than please add in there.
Yeah every page should be expanded and I'm trying to do with some book characters, even Jacques should. We're talking by the way about these characters and we are not paying attention at all on Geralt, the main character, his page is quite short and way too sintetic. Dunno about Josh, not everyone enters the wiki every day as we do, and it's even normal by the way.
Hell, of course, it's normal. I too sometimes vanish for week or 2 without letting you guys know. It just seemed to be like you two are in contact and that's why I asked. To the point, yes Geralt should definitely get expanded but do tell me who has the time to write comprehensive Biography of his doings from books? I barely have enough time to do 1 edit per day so definitely not me right now xP
Nothing special, cdpr wanted to make names shorter so cards like Morvran Voorhis, Clan Tuirseach Veteran and Emhyr var Emreis became Voorhis, Clan Veteran and Emhyr. People (me too) complained about that and they bringed those long names back (thank god I'd say).
I think anyway that an is supposed to mean “from” in Skellige. From Clan Tuirseach, From Clan Dimun (Jutta's case). In a oral quote a an Craite soldier yells “Craite!”, so I think that the real name of the clan is just Craite. So in the end every name should be correct with and without an.
When islanders 1st appear they are led by Crach an Craite and Eist Tuirseach. This naming pattern continues in all other books and adaptations. Tuirseachs are without "an", An Craites only with it. Svanrige in TW3 seemed like weird exception but, as you said, they are fixing it.
Sapkowski based Elder Speech and its dialects on Irish, in which "an" = "the". Tuirseach, also Irish and usually written without article, means "Tired". So its Crach the Tormented & Eist Tired.
Well a shame they used that wonderful card artwork for such a useless character. Anyway, should I add Gwent avatars to characters page? For characters like Jan Calveit it'd make them more recognizable.
Why only major? If minor joke-characters like Djenge and Ronvid are card-worthy then why not some interesting book folk? I'm speaking about Vrans, Werebbubbs (Kehl even), Order of the White Rose, Auberon, Percival Schuttenbach, Season of Storms characters... + still praying for Marquard xD
No it isn't. Spoiler thing would be difficult to code but I thought maybe the avatars could still be used some other way.
Hello, I recently left a comment on a witcher 3 page, but made it with an anonymous account. I would just like to ask you if you could remove that comment, because I'm really paranoid about my IP address being shown :/. If you could remove it I would greatly appreciate it thanks :).
So, I got a message about this where Wikia is doing "Discussions" in place of Forums, which I've seen on various other wikis. Long story short, they will eventually migrate everyone over to discussions and get rid of the forums, it's just a matter of when. Do you have any particular preference when you'd like to do this?
I'm enjoying them so far, gives more insight into the characters :) I only have the first two in story chronology right now (The Last Wish and Blood of Elves) but hopefully the others will go on sale soon so I can get the rest.
So minor thing with title translations that I noticed a couple months ago: UK and US have slightly different titles for some of the books. The two I came across is "Time of Contempt" (UK) and "The Time of Contempt" (US) as well as "The Tower of the Swallow" (UK) and "The Tower of Swallows" (US).
Since you brought TTotS up... I'm rereading it and got to Skellige part and fortification above Kaer Trolde is refered to as "citadel" not "keep". I checked original on polish Wikia as well as English excrepts on google and they also have it as citadel. Could you move it?
Ok, for now I've used the bot to move all pages that were under the character categories "short stories" and "novels" to "Characters in the stories". However, it's only to act as a way to link to the subcategories (each book) so when you guys can get a chance, start adding them to their appropriate groups. I haven't created a mentioned only for each book as I feel there wouldn't be enough characters to warrant it.
Well, I think I'm also letting some bias getting in: mainly that the author himself distances himself from the tv show and movie. But if we start putting those in, then maybe need to redo that infobox because otherwise some characters are going to have a very long appearance section.
By the way, I'm surprised you haven't fixed Geralt's page up to follow the new layout style you want to do.
I think the same for everything that's true/canon. But for things that we don't know are canon, like a lot of secondary quest characters, players can easily never interact with them and thus, that part of the story may never happen. That's why it's set in that tense. Think Schrodinger's cat: it's both past and present until we know what's canon.
So I noticed something interesting with the book files. I've run into similar duplicates before, but it looks like the devs actually used both: one book is slightly brighter than the other. The problem is, it seems random which books use which version because while they named one "quest" in its name, it's also use by some regular books. I've gone ahead and replaced the originals with the brighter ones, but do you think we should bother trying to separate them by bright/dark version as the visual difference is insignificant?
Were this Wiki at the point when we don't know what to do anymore, than yes. Sadly that isn't the case and there is still an awful lot of lore, characters etc stuff missing so I think we can leave it :D
If I may: King Ethain's mentioned in The Sword of Destiny, Blood of Elves, Times of Contempt and The Lady of the Lake too. Btw in books he's said to be benevolent and wise ruler - doesn't TW3 info clash it?
No problem. With Maecht, please wait till I figure out its status cause its rather complicated. Also - I added Crach's mother page and had rather hard time phrasing it (as we dunno her name), would you check?
I'll check it over. Also, do we have any idea of when the stories in Sword of Destiny took place? I can't tell if they're in chronological order or random short stories, meaning they could have happened after other books or far before the first book.
Actually, wait, if our Timeline is solid, I can at least pinpoint when Eternal Flame happened, as Dudu happened to sell red material at a high price because the Thyssens took back Kovir, pinpointing in 1238.
I would say that Sword of Destiny is in chronological order and takes place as is written, and in the timeline are after The Last Wish and before the Saga.
Bounds of Reason and Shard of Ice happen one after another, evidenced by the fact that that is the first time since Geralt had seen Yen since leaving her sometime after The Last Wish and before Season of Storms. Yen then leaves Geralt again and doesn't see him again until Time of Contempt.
Obviously Sword of Destiny and Something More take place one after the other chronologically, and before the Saga, since Ciri is in both and younger than she is in the saga.
There isn't much to go on regarding The Eternal Flame and A Little Sacrifice, by which there is also not much to suggest they don't follow the chronological order of the other four short stories in the collection. Geralt mentions Yen and Dandelion is in A Little Sacrfice, so even if it wasn't chronological it can't have been that early. Also The Eternal Flame takes place after Geralt has left Yen, on the first page of that story he mentions having lived with her. All seems to suggest they take place in chronological order from the end of The Voice of Reason in the Last Wish and before the Saga starts in Blood of Elves.
Also the very earliest Dandelion could have been born based on all the evidence given throughout the series is late 1220s, which would put him at around twelve or highly likely even younger if The Eternal Flame took place in 1238. If we take the given dates for his birth of 1229 and 1232 he would only be either nine or hell, six years old, haha.
So nothing is consistent in our timeline, great. xD So now Dandelion can join Ciri in the inconsistent ages bit.
It'd help if we could do a quick note of when each short story and/or book happened as everything feels jumbled. So did Geralt leave Yen sometime after The Last Wish, and then they met again in Bounds of Reason and stayed together until Shards of Ice, when she left?
In Season of Storms, Lytta mentions that around a year has passed since Geralt left Yen. At the end of SoS, Geralt first hears of the Striga, placing The Witcher and The Voice of Reason after this. In Bounds of Reason, Yen says it's been four years since Geralt left. In Blood of Elves, Yen hasn't seen Geralt in at least two years, since before the first war broke out.
As best I can make out:
The Edge of the World
The Last Wish
Season of Storms
A Question of Price
The Voice of Reason
The Bounds of Reason
A Shard of Ice
The Eternal Flame
A Little Sacrifice
Sword of Destiny
Blood of Elves
Time of Contempt
Baptism of Fire
Tower of Swallows
Lady of the Lake
Only ones I can't really place are A Grain of Truth and The Lesser Evil, since they don't really feature any prominent characters or significant events in order to frame it. Although perhaps because of this it would suggest they happen before Geralt has met Yen, Dandelion or anyone else. I can't remember if they refer to Geralt as The Butcher of Blaviken in any of the other stories, as that would help frame it.
In any event I would say, with the possible exception of the last two mentioned short stories that all the stories take place between 1250 and 1268 (with the exception of the time-displaced/future event scenes). Both Dandelion and Ciri are useful in this regard. If we take Dandelion's earliest age of around late 1220s/early 1230s we can infer that no story involving him could possibly take place much earlier than 1250. As for Ciri, one of the few fairly certain dates is Lady of the Lake's Battle of Brenna and Rivian Pogrom being 1268. Whilst we can agree Ciri's age is pretty messed up due to contradictions, we do know for a fact that she was a teenager when this happened somewhere between 14 to 17. Hence any story in which Ciri exists or is mentioned (i.e. anything after A Question of Price/The Witcher) must take place after 1250 at the absolute earliest. The rest we can largely form from the nature of Geralt and Yen's relationship.
Thanks, that should help some. It sounds about right but it's weird, because Dijkstra describes Dandelion as being around (or just before) his 40s during Blood of Elves, which is around 1267, but then Kovir and Poviss revolution where the Thyssens took back power had to have happened sometime in the late 1230s, maybe early 1240s (I'm guessing they were in power before Nilfgaard annexed Ebbing). But I haven't gotten far enough in the stories yet to see if there's any particular date mentioned with Esterad to help out.
As for The Lesser Evil, we know it happend when Idi was in power or sometime after he was killed during the revolution, as Geralt mentions it to Stregobor (and why he doesn't particularly like the mage).
Yeah and Baptism of Fire, which takes place the same year (1267), Geralt mentions that Dandelion started writing poetry at 19, making this year his 19th as a poet, making him 38 in 1267. Which fits with Dijkstra's estimation of his age.
So Blood of Elves takes place initially in 1265, Dandelion's concert, meeting Rience and Yennefer saving him all hapen in this year, the two reference such as the siege of Cintra was two years ago, in 1263. At the same time Geralt is taking Ciri to Kaer Morhen. When Triss arrives at Kaer Morhen, it is stated Ciri has been training there for a year, making it the winter, specifically December, of 1266. The trio then leave in the spring of 1267, Geralt works on the barge/hunts Rience, Ciri is at Ellander and Yen goes there to tutor her.
In July-time of 1267 (start of Time of Contempt) Yen and Ciri head for Aretuza and Thanedd, Geralt discovers what he discovers at Codringher's and pursues them. He's injured by Vilgefortz, Ciri warps to Korath/caught by Trappers/joins the Rats and Yen is a jade figurine with Francesca.
He heals for several weeks in Brokilon (end of Time of Contempt/start of Baptism of Fire), most of that novel he is travelling with Milva, Dandelion, Zoltan and Cahir throughout August 1267. The Battle on the Bridge takes place on 31st August, 1267 (Dandelion explicitly states this date in Tower of Swallows).
Then Tower of the Swallows takes place predominantly in September 1267 leading through to the events of Lady of the Lake largely in 1268.
Hah, yeah it was a hell of a busy year for Geralt and Co. Regarding the books from the Saga it shouldn't be too difficult to compile a pretty accurate timeline (maybe except the the future sections) as months and sometimes even days are provided. The short stories are mainly where the confusion is.
I think he must have been in Mahakam before that. He mentions living in Cintra before war broke out, but also mentions his being in Mahakam and leaving due to disagreeing with Brouver's politics and also says he worked in a foundry before (likely one of Mahakam's infamous foundries).
@Mechemik Seems like it got lost so I'll ask again: Shouldn't at least one word in the article be bold even if it isn't real name (occurred to me with Crach's mother)? They have it so elsewhere I looked...
Basically, it's the unofficial name as we don't actually know their name (and may never know). If anything, could bold it in the text but then make the name in the infobox just question marks to indicate it's not known.
Gonna continue here as "architecture" was supposed to be me-Bizippo thread :D When you're done with the Maecht flag and replace it and COA, along with adding in on page game COA, I think old Mboro heraldry should be removed as they ceased to be relevant -- agree?
I'm also starting to think we need to split the Timeline page between the books and the games... unless you think we should just write (in the games) beside inconsistencies? For instance, The Last Wish book in the games puts Dandelion at 40 years old in the third game, but he was described as 40 several years prior by Djikstra in Blood of Elves.
Good work. Current Maecht page should include everything known and if we overlooked smth I shall let you know.
Well, if you want to split games and canon then we should do it wholly (like they do on Wookiepedia. I, however, would much rather put have policy of "having things if they don't clash with canon" and if they do than notes or something.
PS: But this is not final word, do let me know if you're of different opinion. I respect you as my equal, and to some extent superior, since you managed to improve on so many aspects of this place in JUST 1 YEAR (I mean edit count speaks for itself, I got such after 3 yrs). Thats positively impressive dude! So this is also my way of saying thanx, congratulation and good luck further!
PS: What've you done with E. quadruplets & M. children? I get your problem with minor pages and thus accept The Last Wish minor characters but... didn't you say while ago that you're ok with minor pages if they are about royalties? Cause they are ones we actually tend to get new info ever so often about (like we used to only know Meve had 2 sons and then we got Anseis, or Calveit got expanded big lately).
Well as I told you, I'm trying to focus on other things atm, like getting the nationality categories cleaned up so one just needs to put the template, and it takes awhile. The only reason I even made the other pages, like Temeria/Redania layout, is because they were already broken down like that, I didn't have to anything other than throw the div table in.
As for the royalities pages, I meant those who had more info to them like their parents, siblings, children, etc. The Ebbing quads were literally mentioned in one sentence in a book; we don't even know who their parents were or their lineage to add to it.
But as that's all speculation, we can't say for certain that the line died out itself until confirmed otherwise.
And I'm only removing references where the person only appears in one story or game as it's self evident where the info comes from. If the info comes from something that's not easily found (like a letter in the middle of nowhere in the game) then I leave it.
I don't feel like re-writing that page xD But yeah, that one is painful to look at.
We'd have to find where exactly it branched then for him, because honestly I'm not even sure how they're cousins as most of that line only had one child and there's no explanation on the married in spouse.
Noting pages like Whistling Wendy, not really liking how the quests are divided up like that... but not really liking the idea either of doing it like an icon like I do with crafting components and ingredients (especially with characters like Triss who appear in a lot of quests across all three games). Anyother ideas on how we can make that look better? Especially when we start having to note journal entries and such that are directly from the games (and don't want to remove those).
I feel like current state of Whistling Wendy's page is ugly too, thats why I put Cleanup template there. How about abandoning "Associated quests" section altogether? Haven't seen it elsewhere and it didn't feel missing.
With Journal entries, I really like how they solved it over at Assassin's Creed Wikia. They have separate pages for them like "Database: Haytham Kenway (Syndicate)".
I'd personally like to keep the associated quests so people will have a better idea of where they can interact with the characters. I was thinking along the lines of the canon or non-canon style, to try and have a separate page but have them connected at the top. The only issue is the only one I know who does it successfully (where the tabs are seen on mobile as well) is Star Wars wiki, and their code is complex. I'd have to pour over it to see if it was even doable here.
The only way to get me to get rid of the associated quests would be like what I said in my previous post: it'd have a canon/games tabs and all the game stuff (journal entries, associated quests, etc.) could go on the game tab. It wouldn't be that big of a change, the problem is making it work so those on mobile would also see it. I tried to do a quick look at Star Wars wiki's code and I can't figure out how they got theirs set up to work like that.
You're so convinced about their usefulness? Also, you really seem to have overlooked my idea about journal entries: I really like how they solved it over at Assassin's Creed Wikia. They have separate pages for them like "Database: Haytham Kenway (Syndicate)". These entries are then linked in the infobox of the particular character (Haytham in this case).
You forget, many come here for the games, so keeping that would be very helpful for those readers.
And I didn't overlook that bit: I said it was ok, but I'd rather have it split to the canon/games tabs because 1) their way would be more confusing for us (we've never put journal entry links in the infoboxes) 2) it'd make some infoboxes unnecesarily long and 3) a quick glance of the character's page and there's no easily accessible way to find the database page otherwise. Tabs, meanwhile, are more prominent and right in the reader's view so they know they can easily switch between games and story.
True I can see your point. How about doing it like they do on Polish Wiki then? They have 2 tabs: Information and Descriptions from books and games, first for everything except the thing that goes into second (journal entries + book quotes).
Also, considering that we do adapt our wiki to tabs like they have on Star Wars, which tab would be main? I just want to be sure the Sapkowski one.
That's what I've been working on the past few hours actually. I think the Star Wars one, the only reason it shows like it does on mobile, is due to making it table format and and changing it's style, which is, eh, not the greatest for certain styles. I've been editing the code from the Polish wiki and theirs is slightly different where after the infobox on mobile, a person would see "See also:" and the subpage links. It doesn't stand out as much as I like, but it's a start.
The one issue I'm seeing right now is I need to figure out a way to turn off certain tabs. For instance, if a character only appears in the games but we want a section for quotes, I need to figure out a way to turn off the canon/books page tab on it.
Oh, I see. These things should also be categorized (like books/adaptations categories to sort articles). In the same line with this, will you please write something of a canon guideline describing boundaries etc.? I will find you an interview where Sapkowski states that he isn't taking games into consideration (i.e. making them non-canon) but you are best to phrase it :)
Hmmm, considering some of the information could fit on both the books and games pages (like trivia, notes, and galleries) perhaps we should have one main overview page and then a book and/or game sub pages?
Either one works. I just want to make it clear that game information is on another page, and canon/books is elsewhere.
I'm thinking maybe just have an "Overview" page wich will be the infobox, basic info (usuaually the stuff before the main header), trivia, notes, gallery, etc. Unless you think we should have all that replicated on both the books and games pages.
Also, do you prefer the gold border or the light blue? See Geralt's page, I'm testing it out on his.
Well because non-canon doesn't include only games by CDPR many other things + 1 short story by Sapkowski which was just a wedding gift to his friends. I think if we want to do it like on Star Wars than we should do it properly. Adaptations images to adaptations gallery, canon images to canon gallery, same with Trivia, Notes etc. Easy solution. And I guess my preference lies with gold one, yours?
PS: Would you kindly check Jacques de Aldersberg? I've done some massive changes and cleaning so I would be glad if you go over it.
Not really. Remember, most come on here from the game side, not the books. The idea is to try and make it as simple as possible (though won't be able to make it 100% stupid proof)
Also, still doesn't answer what to do about the infoboxes. For instance, if we only stick to canon stuff for the books, then his appearance section in his box will only include the books, games and such only on the game one, etc. We'd also have to change his image.